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EXCLUSIVE: In the name of Islam: Reply of Zul Nordin to RPK

Written by Abd Jaber
Monday, 27 October 2008
In a response letter to Raja Petra Kamarudin - RPK - the jailed editor of Malaysia Today following to his criticism of MP Zulkifli Nordin, the latter criticized the Internal Security Act (ISA) of Malaysia saying Islam do not condone the arrest and detention of opponents under such a draconian law. Zul Nordin also called for the immediate release of RPK and all ISA detainees and maintained that RPK may have been misinformed about his speech on the ISA in Parliament. A must read. Zulkifli Nordin, who is the MP for Bandar Baru Kulim said in the exclusive email sent to WorldFutures that he regret the challenge by his friend 'Pet' on the ISA. "My friend Pet also challenged me to make a stand on ISA, alleging that I support ISA. Obviously Pet was not given the full text of my speech. And that is very unfortunate. So I don't blame Pet for his writing. And I understand how easily a detainee's view can be distorted by giving him a distorted information," he wrote. "I challenge the Islamic authority to be gentlemen enough to bring Pet to any Syariah Court and let him defend his thought and views," he also said, but added that he does not have to listen to the opinion of non-Muslims since he does not have to learn Islam from non-Muslims. Read the composed and strong reply to RPK's criticism of Zulkifli Nordin, an MP whom we insist is a gentleman and is a good listener. He is a good Muslim altogether by the way he replied to his good friend Pet. In the name of Islam I have read with deep sense of understanding and comradeship to an article written about me titled ISLAM & JUSTICE by my friend Raja Petra Kamaruddin, otherwise known as Pet within our circle. I've known Pet & his lovely wife Marina since the beginning of Reformasi days in 1998. We used to 'discuss' things right thru midnite, sometime at Sri Ukay Curry House, sometime at that little restaurant beside MRR2. But most of the time at Anwar's place. I do understand that being under detention put a lot of constraint to a person; and I should know better as I've been detained twice. And now Pet has equalled my record by being detain twice..the first time Pet was given Royal treatment..nothing less then Kentucky Fried Chicken, complete with fork & knife. And I hope they still let him use fork & knife..otherwise kebulor lah my friend Pet. MP Zulkifli Nordin Be as it may, Pet may have written the article without the full benefit of my speech in Parliament given on Thurs 23 Syawal recently. And I do hope nobody misled Pet and gave him distorted information about my speech. In that speech when I said I don't care about other's thought on Islam I was referring to comments by non-Muslim on Islam. And I've no regret in saying that coz I don't need the non-Muslim to teach me about Islam. My friend Pet also challenged me to make a stand on ISA, alleging that I support ISA. Obviously Pet was not given the full text of my speech. And that is very unfortunate. So I don't blame Pet for his writing. And I understand how easily a detainee's view can be distorted by giving him a distorted information. I have openly stated in my speech that it is totally against the basic principles of Islamic justice to detain a person without giving him/her the right to be heard. And since it is an UMNO led government, people has the wrong perception that Islam condone such detention. I openly state that all ISA detainees must be released forthwith, including the 5 Hindraf detainees. Their continued detention is repugnant to the Islamic principles of justice. If any of the ISA detainees have commited any wrong, then bring them before a Court of Law so that they can defend themselves. In particular my friend Pet, he was detain purportedly for committing an offence under the Islamic Enacment. If that is so, then charge him under Section 299A of the Penal Code or under any of the provisions of the State Islamic Enactment. Detaining him under ISA and forcing him to go for rehabilitation just because he does not subscribe to Mazhab Hadhari's point of view is an insult to one's intelligent. I myself do not agree with most of Pet's view on Islam, but I can still have tehtarik and roti nan with him. So I hope, and I challenge the Islamic authority to be gentlemen enough to bring Pet to any Syariah Court and let him defend his thought and views. If he cannot defend it, then by all mean convict him and send him to jail. If not, you have no business to continue detaining him by hiding behind the skirt of ISA. So my friend Pet, be strong. My doa for you, Marina and the children. And in the name of Islam, I call upon the authority to release all ISA detainees forthwith. And to Pet especially, I admit that I may not be the best Muslim, but I'll try to give the best to Islam. From me, the humble servant of ALLAH. Comments (24) Subscribe to this comment's feed Show/Hide comments we are only different in thoughts written by asiseesit, October 27, 2008 I'm not a muslim, but to detain someone indefinitely without even a hearing, simply because he has a different view of things, is nothing short of draconian type laws. and i agreed with you even though you and pet do not share the same opinion of any particular topics, does not mean one should be enemies. I’ve got this to share:- when the italians captured omar mukhtar (aka lion of the desert) the libyan resistance leader during the italian colonization prior to WW2, even under captivity, the italian general showed him great respect by providing him amenities for prayers in his cell and instructed his soldiers to unchained him as that’s not the way to treat a leader. The general said to Omar Mukhtar. “We are only enemy by conflict, but you are still a human and a leader to your people”. And to think that was in the 1920’s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_of_the_Desert Glad Zul does not condone the evil ISA written by Antares, October 27, 2008 I've been waiting and waiting for Zulkifli Nordin to make a statutory declaration on what he claims were attempts by "a third party" to interfere with his defence of Captain Azilah Hadri - which compelled him to withdraw abruptly from the case in April 2007. For the sake of justice and the dignity of the nation, Zul, will youi not make public what you know? To me, judging from his face alone, Zulkifli Nordin seems like a brave and principle fellow with very strong convictions about his faith. He may come across as overzealous and somewhat narrowminded, but he appears sincere nevertheless - and that is far more important than what he professes to believe. An honest man, even if lacking in worldly exposure or misinformed, will always embrace a greater truth when he encounters it. REPLYING YB ZUL written by WANZAH1, October 27, 2008 DEAR YB ZUL I'M WITH YOU, ISLAM DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE PEOPLE BUT MUSLIMS DO AND VICE VERSA; BOTH SIDES TO BE BLAMED; SEE EVERY TIMES MUSLIMS WERE KILLED BY THE AMERICAN BECAUSE THEY WERE TERRORIST EVEN THEY ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES LIKE THE PALESTINIANS; AND WHY IT HAPPENED BECAUSE MUSLIMS ARE WEAK AND THEIR OWN PEOPLE ARE BETRAYING THEM IN THE CAHOOT WITH JEWS AND AMERICANS. IN MALAYSIA IT IS THE SAME, WE ARE WEAK AND OTHERS TALK OUT LOUD CHALLENGING NOT ONLY MALAYS RIGHT BUT ALSO ISLAM; WE NEED TO WARN THOSE PEOPLE BEFORE IT BECOMES OUT OF HAND. LAST NITE I WATCHED PENDEKAR BUJANG LAPOK, 40 YEARS BEFORE MALAYS WERE THE MAJORITY IN SINGAPORE BUT UMNO HAD SOLD THEM TO LKY AND AS A RESULT MALAYS ARE BEHIND IN ALL AREAS. SIMILARLY IT WOULD BE REPEATING IN MALAYSIA SINCE IN UMNO NO MUSLIM LEADERS BUT ONLY MALAYS LEADERS THAT CLUTTERED WITH THE MIXED BLOOD EITHER WITH CHINESE, INDIAN, MAMAK, ORANG PUTEH, ETC. ONE OF THEM RPK, HIS THOUGHT ABOUT ISLAM IS TOO LIBERAL; I'M WITH HIM FOR THE COURAGE SHOWN TO BRING DOWN THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT BUT NOT TO THE EXTEND OF SACRIFICING THE ISLAM AND MALAYS RIGHT. THEY ARE NO MORE SENSITIVES TO THE SURVIVAL OF ISLAM AND MALAYS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED TO FIGHT WITH OTHERS, BUT IF WE ARE NOT PROTECTING OUR RIGHT SOON OR LATER WE ARE GOING TO BE LIKES MELAYU SINGAPURA; SINGA PURA-PURA NO MORE GUT BUT NUT, ALL LIKE PAK TURUT YANG MENJAGA PERUT. COULD YOU IMAGINE WITH THE POWER WITH MALAYS THE CHINESE STILL CAN ENJOY 90% OF THE WEALTH HOW IF THEY WERE ALSO CONTROLLING THE POWER. ARE THEYT GOING TO HELP OTHER RACES?. EVEN NOW IF WE ARE BUYING FROM CHINESE THE PRICE WILL BE DIFFERENT COMPARED TO THE PRICE OFFERED TO THEIR OWN RACE. I'M WITH YOU YB ZUL WRM ... written by guest, October 27, 2008 I suggest you don't get carried away with rhetorics. Those are often seen in the UMNO world. Follow the original PKR principle - to fight for justice for all. I have never seen religions - in the true form - being discriminatory. Let's not start to go down that path ... written by Kamal, October 28, 2008 Response to WANZAH1's comments: I am a Malaysian Malay Muslim and let me tell you that I am ashamed to have someone like you as a fellow Muslim. You have the audacity to justify your discrimination of fellow human beings in the name of the Almighty. We are weak? Speak for yourself! You are truly the proverbial "Katak" in the phrase "Katak di dalam Tempurung" ANd..PLS DO NOT WRITE IN CAPS, IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU ARE SHOUTING AND DROWNING IN YOUR OWN RHETORIC! Shalom written by Ben, October 28, 2008 I read with great interest the revelation that you have been misunderstood by RPK. I am also surprised that you are a friend or rather a comrade with RPK. Which puzzles me why RPK wrote what he did. Maybe as you suggested he was only given part of the speech. Many of us really respect RPK and his quality of journalism. We also know that he will not publish untruths or even half-truths. Even as we read your declaration of being misunderstood, we do remember your past actions of storming the Bar Council meeting and also the belting out of orders to your frenzied supporters inciting them further without first investigating and evaluating the objective of the meeting nor the participants whom included Islam believers and leaders. It is consistent with your continuing ignorance of other Malaysian's rights and unbecoming of a elected leader. As Tok Guru said so well, other Malaysians who are non-muslims are also God's creation. Kindly care what other Malaysians say, because they elected you and you are obliged to serve them, not just whom you choose to serve. That is also what RPK implied in his challenge to you. May the peace of God be with you. Incredible written by observers, October 28, 2008 I read some of the comments here..obviously by non-Muslims. They are never satisfied. Zul fried RPK for being off guard, off target and for attacking the wrong tree. Yet you people are not satisfied with the gentleman and soft manner in which Zul replied. Either you wanted Zul to be totally wrong or you cannot accept the fact that RPK is totally wrong here! Both ways you are all bullshitters to comment against Zul. kamalism written by observers, October 28, 2008 Y attack Wanzah? U got nothing else to do eh? at least let wanzah express an opinion. then express urs. attack wanzah coz think different from u? silly donkey la. ... written by mualaf, October 28, 2008 YB Zul, whilst I agree with you on some points you have said but I would NOT agree with you on one that is you won't listen to Non Muslims. Well they are NOT preaching Islam to you but merely speaking out the injustice done by these "Holier than thou" Muslims using Islam as a pretext. And to WANZAH1's comments: Please don't compare yourself to the Malays in Singapore. They are way ahead of the Malays from Malaysia in all areas. Good Muslim? written by amoker, October 28, 2008 I was reading the feedback and realised that it is not the usual 'opposition' website.. wow, it is an Islamic website. So, I am a non muslim and due to many threats against talking about Islam since I am a kafir, I will refrain especially in this forum. I do however want to list down Zulkifli Noordin's 'great Muslim attributes'. 1.Brave 2. Uncouth 3. Do not respect others 4. Likes to talk, unable to listen. 5. Do not try to undertand other people's view. 6. Goes missing. 7. Cepat naik baran. 8. Passionate about his own issue/ people. 9. Easily swayed. 10. Sincere. What u failed to c - amoker written by observers, October 28, 2008 Obviously u r a frightened man. Its not an opposition website coz its a balanced one where everyone has opportunities. So do not be afraid...talk but talk sense The few things u failed to notice about Zul: 1. Direct 2. Honest 3. Humble He likes to talk...not that much. He talks but not like RPK. He listens too...not like RPK. RPK has become too big that he cannot even handle himself now. He talk talk talk no listening... Let me list what RPK does wrong: 1. Acts on sentiments 2. Belittle others 3. Do not listen..rarely listens 4. Talks too much 5. Is not always right! 6. Is direct 7. Is less Islamic 8. Reject's other people's views 9. Is more a politician 10. Is a fighter ... written by JJ, October 28, 2008 I don't know who owns this website but I came here thru another blog. The response that YB Zul wrote appears to be quite sedate, trying to be objective. However, I have also seen a clip of him stating that there are people who wants to institute that children under the age of 18 will have no religion, when talking about the bar council forum on conversion, that these youth will only decide on their religion on reaching 18 years of age. I do not read anywhere in this response of his addressing that. It's ok to defend one's religion or belief. But it's another to force one's belief on others. By stating that what he did was in defence of his religion, he is also saying that his interpretation of his religion is the correct one. He wrote that he does not need non-muslims to teach him about Islam. He also said he does not agree with most of RPK's view of Islam. So what can one infer from this? Cheers. RPK n Islam written by xymax, October 28, 2008 At least u agree that Zul Nordin was not aggressive on the issue. Regarding the 18 year old thing...if its true some ppl want to do that, then they should be stopped! Islam is not a toy for non-Muslims much less for Muslims so do not play with it. As for your question regarding what to do about Zul's statement concerning RPK...I would say RPK does not represent The Islam. Zul may be right on most of his views regarding Islam which the views of a large overwheming majority of Malays and Muslims. Hence, conclusion is RPK should be the one to redress his views on Islam... who owns written by admin, October 28, 2008 Thanks JJ for ur comment. U can browse around to look for yourself about the website. We are an independent organization of Islamic faith. Thanks Defending Islam written by The Mind!, October 28, 2008 Dear All I have wrote in defence of Zulkifli Nordin in Malaysia Insider on its article purportedly Zulkifli Nordin blames everyone else about Islam. The comments never see the light of day though! Please be informed that Islam came to this region, Nusa Kencana aka Nusantara aka Malay Archipelago (Gugusan kepulauan Melayu) aka Tanah Melayu aka Malaya aka Malaysia by the sole act of GOD (Allah). The history is so beautiful it never has the equation of any other event that unfolds. This blessed land is hence embedded with Islam and not many people acknowledged it especially now where the freedom to express one's opinion on it is unstoppable. However, it is indeed Divine guidance and plan that makes true the arrival of Islam to this land is very sacred!. Time will come when Allah the Almighty WILL see that HIS PLAN of bringing Islam to this beautiful lands of tropical islands is without any objective!. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has said that a time will come that Islam WILL RISE AGAIN from a small 'country' from the far east!. Say what you like while your brain can churn whatever it likes about Islam, whether you are a wholesome muslim, half muslim, quarter muslim or a totally non muslim!. The time is drawing near considering the events unfolding as to how Islam is being challenged today. Remember, Allah has said in the Quran, HE will not let Islam die off UNDEFENDED!. Zulkifli Nordin is just one sincere Muslim who takes the task as asked by Allah. The time will come when Allah WILL exercise HIS WILL on the defence of ISLAM. Till then, just breathe!..... Sincerely The Mind! Hmmmm written by ....Hmmmm..., October 28, 2008 Hmmmmmm.... RPK N Islam written by ....Hmmmm..., October 28, 2008 My humble advise to RPK.... Belajar bab air dulu baru cerita yg lain... you have to follow the process just like everyone else... Now from my observation.. people want to talk about things that they rarely understand... so in the end we would have this kind of misunderstanding.... and I agree with "observers" wrote above... ... written by The Mind!, October 28, 2008 Dear Hmmmm Hmmmm?....breathe Bro!.....Breathe!! Sincerely The Mind! Hmmmm.... The Mind written by ....Hmmmm..., October 28, 2008 Dear The Mind! I'm breathing normally. Thank You. On another note, I've read a lot of RPK's so articles/opinion on Islam and tends to disagree with him. Personally, I think he is lost. When in doubt, go back to basics. Fundamentals. People.... fundamentals.... Thank you Wrong image written by Yili, October 28, 2008 Nothings wrong with Islam, it is the followers..... If Islam has "survived" for 1429 years, a bunch of Bar Council's members will definitely have not the power to eliminate it. Further more,the Mind said," Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has said that a time will come that Islam WILL RISE AGAIN from a small 'country' from the far east!. " This country is probably our this blessed land, so why worry abt the "threat" ?Dont you have any confidence in the words of the Prophet? yili written by xymax, October 28, 2008 I dont think many ppl are worried of what threats against Muslims there are here but I think people can do away with any threats! If any threats appears...must crush it down fast. That is what all the Muslims here commenting r trying to say...Yili ... written by JJ, October 28, 2008 Dear Admin, Thanks for your hospitality. It appears that some of my comments may not be clear. 1. I do not recall anyone calling for all people under the age of 18 to be without religion. Yet, YB Zul had mentioned that. Unfortunately, he did not address that in his response. 2. The statement YB Zul made on not needing anyone to tell him about and his apparent disagreement with RPK's views suggests that irrespective of what others think, his view is the one that he will defend. Others who do not agree with him must be wrong. Someone once said, if you ask enough people, you will always find someone who will agree with you. That does not necessarily mean it is the majority view or even the correct view. Thus, while we can debate and defend our faith and our views, we cannot force that on other people. Islam has survived 1429 years. Why would anyone think that it can be undermined by a difference of opinion? Turkey has been ruled as a secular state since the 1920s. Yet 99% of her population are muslims. (I was there recently and it was an eye opener.) Cheers. JJ its the fundamentals written by Admins, October 28, 2008 It is a question of fundamentals. In the event the interlocutor on Islam - obviously a non-Muslim or in some cases a Muslim who do not have the right understanding - questions the fundamentals of Islam, it is not easy to address such queries with a few comments or a few postings and articles. In the case of Raja Petra, we understand that he is questioning the fundamentals of Islam. It is not easy to just pick a fight and answer him on the spot. It takes time, it takes a lot of studies and a lot of perseverance. This too, when you come out with an answer, Raja Petra might not accept it for the simple reason that it is against his 'views'. Now let me make it clear: Kazi Mahmood, Ali Cordoba, Abdel Jaber or Muhammad Isa and even Dzul G does not have the right to a personal 'opinion' on Islam, their faith. We at the Admin of WorldFutures do not have an 'opinion' on Islam. We do have an 'opinion' of others who are fighting for or against Islam though. Islam is a faith that is complete and when u use it as example, u must be prepared to accept the fact that you are accepting everything at a 100 percent rate of what Islam stands for. Raja Petra do not do that unfortunately. He seem to have a very defined 'opinion' of Islam, which is totally wrong. One does not have an 'opinion' on the fundamentals of Islam Even the brave and great Tun Mahathir did not dare express an 'opinion' on the fundamentals of Islam and we salute him for that! Now read the following: A Saudi woman recently posted on the Guardian the following statement: I notice a lot of condescension and arrogance when you talk to us or about us. Let me be clear: you do not know more about us than we know about ourselves, our religion, our cultures, our families, or the forces that shape our lives. You do not know what’s best for us more than we do. I hope this helps. I pray also that we can come to a compromise on not engaging the fundamentals of Islam when we discuss. Otherwise it will be a no-ending thingy. Yours truly Admin Bury the hatchet written by Kazi Mahmood, October 28, 2008 At this juncture, we believe Zulkifli Nordin, YB Zulkifli indeed, has given a great response to our friend Raja Petra. We hope that it settles the issue between the two good friends. Exploiting the differences further will not help anyone, hence we pray that both Raja Petra and Zulkifli Nordin bury the hatchet. Nevertheless, the battle for the preservation of Islam and its fundamentals, as written by one of our admin here, will continue. Wasalam Write comment Name Email Website Title Comment Write the displayed characters Powered by Azrul's Jom Comment
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